Frequently Asked Questions about the PT 11 Nesting dinghy are listed below in alphabetical order. You can scroll down to find what you are looking for or try the search box to the right... If you have a question not found here, please email us. Our email info is on our website PTWATERCRAFT.COM or use INFO@ in front of that. Pardon the code but bad-bots just love to abuse email addresses.
CNC file lease? We do not lease our files. The fact that our kits use 5 different thicknesses of plywood and have numerous specialty parts in the kit, make it totally impractical to lease a file. If one could cut a single kit from a single file, that could work but such is not the case with our kits. We are improving our shipping options as we can.
Commissioned Builders? I have been contacted by a private boat builders offering their services. Contact me so we can locate a builder nearest to you. We have established a registry map as an owner/builder resource and aim to create an interactive community. We have a builder center here.
Epoxy hazards? Westsystem.com has lots of information including safety information. See this page for information about over-exposure. Understanding epoxy is a class in chemistry. It is not wise to believe advertisements claiming a totally safe or 'non-toxic' epoxy. Always wear protection, keep epoxy off of your skin, do not sand partially cured epoxy, and prevent uncured epoxy or hardener from spreading around your shop. Only thoroughly cured epoxy is inert.
Flotation vs storage space: The three compartments, one in the bow and the two in the stern, are completely sealed flotation and has equal value as foam flotation in this type of boat. Access ports to these compartments cause new rules to come into play, namely, equal foam flotation would then be required to replace the air. This is something we also had to calculate for the non nesting version of the PT 11 in order to satisfy the USCG safety guidelines.
There is a large storage aft of the mast step with ample space. Additional weight is not desirable in the nose of the boat.
Hiking out? We have, on occasion, hiked out on the railing of the PT11. This boat is not designed as a true racing dinghy, however. We want you to have fun sailing but we do not encourage racing expectations comparable to dinghies designed for racing. One person hiking out should not be an issue but we do not recommend 2 people hiking at the same time. The PT 11 is designed first and foremost, as a tender, that rows and also sails exceptionally well.
HOURS TO BUILD? Based mainly on the log of 1 dedicated (hired) builder, 190- 220 hours, start to launch. In this case, he received the kit (including foils) on Dec. 5th and the owner was sailing the boat by Jan 15th. Another builder said he took closer to 300hours. It should be clear that people have different work habits and available time. We would be happiest if no one rushed building their own boat, but rather, takes time to enjoy the project and admire their accomplishment. Information from builders remains scant and varied. Everyone seems to be having too much fun to keep track.. 😉 .
Import into Canada? Because of NAFTA, Canadians should only pay 12% of the kit cost and delivery. Canadians who spend 48+ hours in the USA are allowed to return with $800/person of duty free merchandise. Not a bad deal when you do the math. (see 'shipping international' below for info on other countries) Also, always confirm import rules with your nearest customs agency. When asking questions, note the schedule B 8903.99.9000.
MODIFYING the design; Boat building is a creative process. I have great faith in each person's ability to creatively personalize their boats! It is also our hope that the building experience in itself serves the creative spirit well and the end result is a boat that makes the builder proud and happy. However; it is impossible to guarantee anything, if any part of the design and/or the described building method, is modified. We strongly discourage structural modification especially. We may not have a full time tech line but we do try to be available for customer concerns and expect builders to contact us with any ideas of deviating from the instructions..
Nested dimensions of the PT Eleven? (taken directly from the 2011 prototype) Some articles have published erroneous numbers.
NESTED LENGTH: 6′
NESTED HEIGHT: 20″ at one end, 17″ at the other end.
Non-Nesting version? YES! The PT Spear can be viewed on our website HERE
OUTBOARD? The PT 11 and Spear are rated for a maximum 2HP outboard. If you plan to use a small outboard, you would use bearing strips on the outside and clamp pads on the inside. read more about outboards. See a video testing an EP CARRY electric motor.
PLANS? No. We do not have plans for the PT 11. -- Why not?
It would certainly be to our financial advantage to have plans. Unfortunately, our boats don't lend themselves easily to being built from plans.
Our kits are designed in CAD from the ground up as KIT BOATS. We have really taken advantage of the kit technology using tongues and slots, scribe marks and alignment notches and multiple thicknesses of plywood.
There are 7 hull panels that are put together without any sort of jig (except for the bulkheads and machined gunwales). If the panels are not super accurate, then the bulkheads would not fit. The slightest inaccuracy over length would also lead to a wonky hull shape.
Our kits are machined from 5 different thicknesses of ply wood, to both make the boat as light as it can be for its strength and make building it easier.
Our goal from the beginning has been to make this rather sophisticated little boat as easy as possible for anyone to build. To that end, we have written a very detailed, instructional manual that includes hundreds of photos. The daunting task of writing a manual specific to, and adequate for, building from plans is one we cannot consider right now.
Will you ever have plans?
We hope to one day design a simpler boat that could be built from plans but it would be a compromise.
REEFING THE SAIL? and the shorter top batten to facilitate reefing?... An explanation from Sandy Goodall:
"No, the short batten version did not evolve in order to facilitate rolling / reefing the sail around the mast. We had started with a bigger sail, with a larger roach, and to support that roach we needed the support of the full length top batten. We then decided that we wanted a smaller, simpler (and cheaper to build) sail, which would better suit smaller users, but still be enough for bigger people to have fun. Having said that, the shorter battens DO enable you to roll the sail a couple of times around the mast, which is the only reefing option, but I think the sail is small enough that your 80 pounder is going to do just fine with the sail as is. The way to flatten the sail is to put some pre-bend in the mast, using the vang, for fresh winds. The current smaller, short batten sail works well for someone as small / light at Ashlyn (Russell's wife), and also for me, at 240 lbs. So I think it's a good compromise. Enjoy! Sandy Goodall"
Re-enforcing the boat? Any additional wood or glass than what is prescribed in the manual, serves to add weight and will not necessarily make the boat any stronger than designed. The exception would be additional glass on the bottom if it is expected that the dinghy will be typically dragged over rough landings rather than carried.
The transom, as designed, is strong. The rudder is a kick up rudder so there should be no chance of ripping off the transom of the boat with this rudder.
SHIPPING OVERSEAS? How Much to ship a kit overseas?
Ocean freight is actually not bad. It is the port and clearance fees that are the bummer. Shipments of 3 or more kits can make up the minimum LCL of 1 cubic meter drastically reducing the shipping cost per kit. So think group orders addressed to a commercial entity. Find out what the import costs are in your country. The more questions you ask locally, the fewer surprises.
AIR FRIGHT has become a viable option as I continue to work with shipping agents but again, import duties are the most important to find out. note the schedule B 8903.99.9000
Canada: 12% - 13% HST. If you are in the USA for 48 hours, there an exemption on $800 value per person. Contact me for more information. Perhaps you would like to tour the Olympic Peninsula! (this information was accurate as of 01/01/15) Also see KINEK.COM.
At some point we may establish distributors/licensed producers in Europe and Australia but the logistics are confounding. Our kits contain so many specialty parts that locally cutting the majority of the plywood parts still leaves a large part of the kit to export. Best is to Contact me for a quote.
NOTE: UPS air freight looks like a viable option with costs of $500 to $700 door to door (To EU and AU/NZ) excluding clearance and import duties. We ship free of full woods in order to avoid fumigation requirements) Contact your local customs or department of commerce to learn about import calculations. note the schedule B 8903.99.9000
Side-decks on a larger version? Side decks are nice for racing dinghies but do not work with the nesting parameter. This is a compact nested package and side decks would add a lot of width, for one, as well as a lot of complexity.
Smaller nesting dinghy? We continue to consider a smaller nesting dinghy. A 9.5 would be interesting as a smaller nested package. It would not be as nice to row as the 11 footer. It would need volume so it would look quite different. One would expect it to cost a good bit less too. right? This is the dilemma. Russell is not capable of shipping anything that does not measure up to his expectations. His degree of detail and quality does not lend itself to an economy kit. If we figure this out, we will announce it in our newsletter so please stay tuned.
Technical assistance? PT watercraft is run by 2 people. This makes our ability to answer a lot of questions limited. For this reason, Russell wrote the manual with as much detail as he could. Phone calls are not encouraged for questions. We do answer emails and sometimes will call you back with answers. WEST SYSTEM also has a great technical assistance line to answer epoxy questions. So please study photos and their text, flip forward or back in the manual, eat some chocolate, to make sense of a seemingly unclear instruction. If it is still not making sense, email us. 😉
Tough? Russell and all of our design consultants have a lot of experience with wood and epoxy boat building and a lot of thought and science went into making sure our boats are designed to be both light and strong. No boat is indestructible of course, but please consider carefully, any reinforcements and feel free to consult us if you have concerns based on your planned use of the boat. See above "modifying the design" and "re-enforcements".
Varnish? We did not varnish our PT 11 for the first 2 years. We did keep it stored inside and it was generally only in direct sunlight when in use. It is recommended to protect epoxy with a UV coating. Since 207 has a limited amount of UV filter, (more would compromise the epoxy) a UV protective coating is still recommended. So conceivably, you could wait a couple of years but it is preferable to varnish, paint right away, OR- better yet, have someone spray with 2 part clear coat which is tougher cured than varnish.
Weight? The completed PT Eleven weighs 85 - 90LBS. The sailing kit weighs 11 Lbs.